going to take awhile to educate. but it is a good program. so her best help for short term is job retraining, if she was thrown out of work at a defense plant. but tell her it's not all that gloomy. we're the united states. we have faced tough problems before. look at the misery index when the democrats had both the white house and the congress. it was just right through the roof. now, we can do better. and the way to do better is not to tax and spend but to retrain, get that control of the mandatory spending programs. i'm much more optimistic about this country than some. >> mr. perot? [applause] mr. perot, you have one minute, sir. >> defense industries are going to have to convert to civilian industries. many of them are. and the sooner they start, the sooner they'll finish. and there will be a significant transition. and it's very important that we not continue to let our industrial base deteriorate. we had someone who i'm sure regrets said it in the president's staff said he didn't care whether we made potato ch